At a mass anti-lockdown rally in Sydney last month, one protester held up a sign declaring “The blood of Jesus is my vaccine”.
Such messages were condemned by mainstream religious leaders around the country, who are urging the faithful to get vaccinated and protect their communities. But on the conservative Christian fringe, the message about vaccination is — to put it most charitably — mixed. At both a state and federal level, politicians on the Coalition’s religious right have been the most adamantly opposed to “vaccine mandates” in any situation.
It’s a line taken by conservative religious groups like the Australian Christian Lobby which continue to equivocate on the benefits of vaccines. And like so much of politics of Australia’s hard-right fringe, it takes its cues from a messy culture war in the United States, where white evangelical Christians are over-represented among the unvaccinated, who are in turn over-represented in ICUs around the country as the Delta strain surges.
The politicians
Minutes before question time yesterday, Coalition backbencher George Christensen went on a tear about lockdowns, vaccines and mask mandates. The trouble for the Coalition is what Christensen had to say about vaccine passports — that they are “a form of discrimination” — reflects a growing fissure within the party room.
Some of the loudest voices pushing back against any form of vaccine certificate — where the jabbed enjoy greater freedoms, and vaccination is compulsory in some industries — have come from conservative Christian MPs. Christensen is one of the strongest conduits between the ideas of the Christian right and federal Parliament. He’s regularly advocating ways to restrict reproductive rights (with tepid support). He recently urged Coalition colleagues to meet with the ACL over restarting the push for a religious discrimination bill.
There’s Eric Abetz, the veteran voice of conservative Christians in the Senate, who today wrote an op-ed warning that vaccine incentives were a sign “our freedoms are under threat”. Rookie Liberal Senator Alex Antic, who recently tried to stack the party’s South Australian branch with Pentecostals, has also written about the need to fight vaccine passports.
In NSW, the crusade is being led by Mulgoa MP Tanya Davies, who is trying to move a private member’s bill to ban companies mandating vaccines. “This is not about being an anti-vaxxer,” Davies said in a Facebook video. “This is simply about the government telling people in our community that you have to be vaccinated.”
Davies’ last crusade was an attempt to roll NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian over a bill decriminalising abortion. She failed spectacularly.
On the mandatory vaccine ban, her only supporter is Kevin Conolly, member for Riverstone in Sydney’s “Bible Belt”, who also threatened to cross the floor over abortion decriminalisation.
The ecosystem
None of these politicians have strayed into explicit anti-vaccination territory. But they’re part of a broad ecosystem sowing doubt about vaccination. Davies’ bill, for example, has been promoted by G&B Lawyers, a firm which has regularly pushed anti-vaccine messaging throughout the pandemic.
The work of the ACL also highlights widespread concern about vaccinations among the religious right. The lobby’s boss, Martyn Iles, is an opinionated sort, influential among conservative Christians. He’s spoken about the pandemic and COVID-19 a fair bit, and has been very deliberate not to promote them, a bit of fence-sitting coded to reassure anti-vaxxers that God’s on their side.
On vaccines, Iles says it’s “not clear” whether people should have them. But he’s also ranted against “therapeutic totalitarianism” and raised concern the unvaccinated would be shamed and shunned. Ahead of planned anti-lockdown protests around the country, Iles came to a painful tortured conclusion that Christians should follow the law and not attend.
“I do not like my own conclusions on this,” he wrote.
A dominant position of the religious right seems to be this: a very vocal and defiant opposition to any form of vaccine mandate, which has it straying dangerously close to arguments put forward by anti-vaxxers.
But the United States shows how fuzzy the line between concern trolling about freedom and dangerous vaccine hesitancy can be in that community. There, white, conservative evangelicals are one of the groups least likely to get the vaccine. There’s a cocktail of factors driving that hesitancy — a belief God will provide protection, distrust of government, science and Democrats, exposure to conspiracy theories, the belief that vaccines were developed using aborted foetuses, and the lingering Trump effect.
There many prominent evangelical leaders have tried to promote vaccination, but struggled to cut through to a divided, hesitant flock.
Here in Australia, some survey data shows hesitancy is highest among the strongly religious. But some of the loudest conservative Christian voices have used their pulpits to rage about the spectre of lost freedom, instead of preaching about the benefits of our ticket to liberty.
Surely we should let Nature take its course and allow the religious crazies to die off, courtesy of their non-belief in science, or at least waste away in the shadows with long Covid.
The trouble with that is that the crazies will spread the virus and take many of the rest of us mere mortals with them!
And our money, taxpayers money will be spent on them when they are in intensive care or suffering from long covid.
Wrong send them to their church and they can be treated by others of their same convictions. When they are deceased dig a hole out the back as per New York and bury them with a bulldozer. They can have their super spreader funeral services as this spreads the virus to more of them.
This is the level of love,compassion and respect they have shown the rest of the community.
If Jesus was alive today he would go into their alleged churches and throw them out and burn the buildings to the ground. What these people are saying are words of Satan.
How did you edit this, Bloggs. You’ve found some secret there.
That “Last edited..” appears on a couple of other commenters – perhaps it is something automatic, like “Sent from my Idiotphone…” which appears at the end of many emails.
It sounds like self aware tek boasting, eg that strange RN promo for the nature show in which the presenter says “Hey SmartSpeaker” which replies, in a nasal Kenneth Williams voice, “That’s not my name but, WHAT?”.
Almost as if AI is growing tired of its dumb dependents – it is now ‘a thing‘ that some people have unhealthily dependent relationships with Alexa/Siri – wait until they become palpable!
Who needs soft machines when these are obedient…until they cease to be.
not if we’re vaccinated and they’re not!
Summed it up perfectly.
Oddly, they seem in no hurry to go to their heavenly reward.
Twas ever thus, whited sepulchres the lot of them.
Not only Morri$sin, but Howard and Costello were big supporters of the Houston Pentecostal Hillsong cult arm.
Religious Sect gave Howard a few tips
CORRESPONDENCE between the Exclusive Brethren [since rebadged as the New Plymouth Brethren] and John Howard reveals the religious sect had a warm and familiar relationship with the former prime minister and offered regular political advice.
The Age [17/1/2008] has obtained four letters in which unidentified sect leaders congratulated Mr Howard on the Iraq war and gave political advice about Medicare. The group also recommended massive water projects funded by the sale of Telstra.
The letters show Mr Howard met two Brethren leaders in his Sydney office on the day New Zealand Prime Minister Helen Clark referred sect members to police because they hired private detectives to tail her and her husband, and spread rumours that her husband was gay.
After that September 2006 meeting, Mr Howard wrote to the Brethren — whose members do not vote — to say he “enjoyed our recent discussion” and to commiserate with them about the “campaign against you by Senator (Bob) Brown and others”.
Would we even notice any difference if they got long COVID?
They couldn’t possibly make any less sense.
Exhibit A: George Christensen’s performance in parliament yesterday.
He’s being wound up by the promise of some sit on your fat ar…after he’s finished milking taxapayers for sex tours
Far out…. 32 two people liked someone suggesting they all go and DIE? What the hell is this society coming to?
I thought it more a simple statement that those who live by non-vaxx, die by non vaxx.
Personal choice is fine so long as those stalwart individuals are prepared to take responsibility for the consequences of their actions.
Not a lot of that about these days.
Perhaps it’s something in the water…fluoride?
Never mind toilet paper or rice, now tinfoil is becoming scarce on supamart shelves.
Does bunning’s stock BoJ?
Supplementary question, do you
A drink it like bleach
B inject it like a vaccine
C rub it on like ivermectine or
D stick it up your b****m like UV light?
Thanks for this elaboration. My presumption was that the debate over the mandated vaccine was just a distraction from the real debate about the lack of vaccine and the fiasco of the rollout. Let’s imagine we have two really wonderful meals and argue over which we should have, to distract us from how hungry we are (and who is to blame). I fully expect once, at some still unspecified point, there are plenty of mRNA vaccines available, the issue of hesitancy (a similar faux issue) will fade to a glimmer on the horizon, as will the need to mandate.
THe fundo Christian attraction to anti-vax, no mandated vax, was something I was aware of but hadn’t contemplated reasons for, apart from yes, they are from the credulous end of the spectrum that likes things to be kept simple. However, on reading this I am drawn to how this is yet another battleground for them, of science versus revelation and the struggle to keep God’s (ie his pastors’) authority ascendant over secular authority. And if it costs some lives, well people get to God quicker or the devil gets his due in the souls of unbelievers. The mainstream religions fought and lost on this science v revelation contest in the 19th and 20th centuries, and remodelled their ideology to defensively adjust to it. But as secularism beds in alongside this stage of capitalist development, the more even distribution of inequality in a global world, we get this intense backlash. Ultimately science, especially in times of COVID and climate change, will probably marginalise the fundos and force them adjust but they can make the costs high for humanity in the meantime.
I’m sure their ilk in America are thrilled with the duo who’ve been allowed to flee before being served with a CAN for October to appear on a disgusting charge.
That was largely a case of being given special permission to check their offshore investments because of having a special friend in our parliament.
Noticeably, many Australians with far better reason to travel have been denied the right.
Reported to be a 6 month, tax exempt of course, business trip. They were for sure tipped off that the ‘CAN notice was coming, they got out before it was served, they are not returning for 6 months, so Bobby and Brian Houston look like missing the Oct 5th court appearance. Sweet. And best of all the story broke on the Friday after QT finished on the Thursday. God’s work again.
My wife is a Christian who won volunteer of the year in our district. She is disgusted with many of these ‘so called’ Christians. She is amazed that the orange oaf in America and the torturer of asylum seekers and the poor or disabled in Australia have the nerve to invoke the name of Jesus.
Just how many far right religious nutters are there in Australia? 3%? 5%? Are they the same people who support Clive Palmer and Pauline Hanson?
Beats me how the LNP can be so hopeless in letting some of these people into the party organisation and then become MPs. Especially as the far right represents (I hope) a very small percentage of Australia. Clearly the push by the religious right is fuelled by their argument that the LNP will be more electorally attractive especially for immigrant communities. I can’t see this as being true. I’m sure Australia breaks down pretty much as we voted for marriage equality.
It’s time for us all to call them out as being unrepresentative of the majority but with an oversized influence. Research is required!!
Of course it helps their cause tremendously to have a Pentecostal PM in office. All very scary.
It would be interesting to know. Apparently they’re into branch-stacking, which would give them an outsize political influence in these days of declining membership.
Yes very active in SA, trying to get the electorate of Barker.
https://indaily.com.au/news/2021/06/18/lib-backdown-on-membership-purge-but-tensions-still-simmer/
The holy Roman church have been branch stacking ever since the inception of representative government.
Nothing ‘holy’ about that belief system, they’ve had to change their dogma from the belief women didn’t have souls, etc etc
If Houston is to be charged for not divulging what he knew about his father’s kiddy fiddling, why hasn’t there been an avalanche of charges levelled against the Catholic Church for the same offence? The royal commission demonstrated time and again that cover up and protecting the offender was their stock response to reported child sexual abuse. While on that topic, does anyone know if the RCC has fully paid their (much reduced) reparations to their victims yet or are they still dragging the chain whilst more and more victims die off? If there are still outstanding claims, maybe they could put some of their Jobkeeper windfall towards redressing the suffering of their victims.
Waiting for victims to die off is a tried & true shyste…sorry, lawyer tactic which is far cheaper, even after paying their gouging fees.
Look at James Hardie & Lady Asbestos.
Lady Asbestos, two are in contention for that title, Meredith Helicar and JuLIE Bishop. There are lucrative rewards for ensuring the exploited workforce dies quietly or doesn’t jump the queue to an agonising death.
12 November 2012 Lawyers Weekly:
‘.. the NSW Court of Appeal handed down its judgment over the long-running James Hardie saga, reducing the penalties imposed by the High Court in May on the seven former non-executive directors involved.’
Meredith Helicar has been chairman of the Sydney Institute since 1998 this is a corporate conservative funded think tank. There is no better example of the power and connections of the IPA and its American links than that of the rejuvenation of the James Hardie chair Hellicar.
‘Welcome back, Meredith Hellicar. The former James Hardie chairman is back in business after serving out her ban over one of the most disgraceful episodes in Australian corporate history.
In 2009, Hellicar copped a five-year ban from managing a corporation for breaching her director’s duties by being party to misleading statements about the adequacy of a fund James Hardie set up to pay asbestos victims. The statement, made in 2001 before James Hardie ran off to the Netherlands, claimed the fund was adequate to meet future claims by the victims. It wasn’t.
However, after an appeal all the way up to the High Court last year, Hellicar’s penalty was cut, with an end date fixed at April 30. Lo and behold, on May 22 the ASIC database records Hellicar as being appointed to the board of Bagtrans Group, which owns transport company Bagtrans.
It’s hard to clap when you’re dead or breathing through a tube.’ June 2013 SMH
A little background on Helicar explains what is going on, and provides info on some of the links and names behind Malcolm Abbott’s corporate installed regime.
And the wheels within wheels keep our heads spinning
The Sydney Institute has links with neoliberal conservative institutes around the world.
Sponsors have included:
Shell
Boral
AMP
Australia Post
Macquarie Bank
Corrs Chambers Westgarth
BT
Philip Morris
Helicar is also on the board of governors for the conservative think tank the Committee for Economic Development of Australia; as were/areMaurice Newman, Malcolom Fraser and Ziggy Switkowski.
It has links to the American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research (AEI) which is one of the oldest and most influential of the pro-business right-wing think tanks.
It has been extremely successful in placing its people in influential governmental positions, particularly in the Bush Administration. Bush appointed over a dozen people from AEI to senior positions in his administration.
And here in Australia the IPA’s little Timmy Wilson has been appointed Human Rights commissioner in Australia; a remarkable coup for the IPA and their international brethren.
This site tells us who the corporate funders of the internationally linked conservative thinktanks are, plus a lot more info including who some of their “Fellows” are!
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/american-enterprise-institute#sthash.k7wzIURS.dpuf
Recent and current sponsors of CEDA’s include:
Macquarie Bank, Lexus, Rio Tinto, Manpower, NSW Department of Education and Training, ANZ Banking Group, Promina, Deacons, and Bluescope Steel.
United States Studies Centre, the past adjunct associate professor. Some of today’s stories allude to Brown’s personal political ambitions.
James Brown, a name so common it would slip past most that he is the son in law of Malcolm and Lucy Turnbull.
//stagecdn.crikey.com.au/2017/05/24/malcolm-turnbulls-son-in-laws-sights-set-on-high-office/
Back in the fifties, an evil archbishop even drove a “dominate or destroy” battle against the Labor Party. After losing that one, he was behind forming the church owned DLP from the flotsam that came from the Labor Party split he caused.
Thankfully, the whole thing came apart, the evil archbishop went to meet his maker(and almost certainly found there wasn’t one) and the Labor Party survived.
With any luck the happy clappers will be more successful in destroying the liberal party before the people also wake up to them.
Manniz (sic) appears in Thomas Hardy’s book Power Without Glory. Nothing changes.
Frank Hardy, I think.
Yeah that’s the one, got the book even but not the name right. Knew a woman who was part of the team who stitched the book together as no one would publish it initially, remarkable woman Zelda D’Aprano
100,000 every week got to the cult that Bobby and Brian Houston invented.
Former Hillsong preacher, Pasquale “Pat” Mesiti…The 56-year-old, who describes himself on his website as an “income acceleration coach” whose goal is to help create 10,000 millionaires, did not appear in Parramatta local court on Tuesday when the case came before a magistrate for the first time.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/12/pasquale-pat-mesiti-former-hillsong-preacher-charged-over-alleged-assault-of-wife
Obviously COVID is not the only disease doing the rounds in the community. We also have the contagious, dangerous and virulent mental disease of religious belief doing plenty of damage as well.
Education is the vaccine to religion, conservatism, bigotry, racism, homo/transphobia etc etc.
It is why the conservative elites throughout history did not provide it for the epsilons, it’s also why the fundamentalists deny girls an education, and why many cults and sects aka ‘religions’ home school or set up indoctrination camps where they all live, work play and hunt for partners in similar camps. It’s also why the penalty was death for anyone who translated the bible into English from Latin as it would be available for the masses to peruse the fairy tales contained therein.
To stop the spread of rival belief systems, others were denied education and the Catholics had to be educated under the hedgerows in Anglican England. Galileo was confined to house arrest for decades for his scientific ‘heresy.’
Religion: pernicious, insidious and the aeons enemy of the advancement of humanity from voodoo nonsense to progressive scientific reality. An 8 year old has been charged with heresy in Pakistan recently, penalty will be death. Women burnt to death, etc etc.
Tax free belief systems whether they are orthodox, cult, mainstream, wacko, alien etc etc in all its man made guises is the enemy of humanity
I could have written virtually all of you post myself Allan.
You are right about education being the ‘vaccine’ against religion.
However, I believe that we also need a society where there is equal pay, equal rights and equal opportunity guaranteed for all. We need to squeeze the purveyors of superstition by withdrawing taxation concessions and subsidies to their child indoctrination centers (aka schools). We need to curb the exemptions given to them to discriminate against others in the community especially when employing them. A society which not only seeks to close the gap between rich and poor but also works to achieve full employment, will also help greatly as this means that individuals are less likely to grasp at fantasies as a kind of ‘security blanket’ for adults. Also a sophisticated mental health system would be extremely useful in managing this problem of religious belief.
But I do not think that even if all of those things could be achieved, that the scourge would be completely eradicated. Even Stalin could not get rid of it with extreme violence.
Some religious believers who I have encountered, in a strange and perverted kind of way, seem to relish being persecuted. This response is totally inexplicable and alien to me, but then again, so are their fantasies. They seem to see persecution as a test of their faith. So it is important not to be seen to be abusing or maltreating these people. If you suffer the misfortune of getting into a discussion on religion with them you proceed in a quiet, matter-of-fact way, all the while trying to avoid an open argument with them as that will go nowhere. I regard religious believers as suffering a mental illness and we do not abuse or persecute those suffering such a condition.
Yes I always find a religious person suspect
Thank you for such a comprehensive reply
Thank you for your earlier reply too, Allan. It is interesting to compare notes.
I learn a lot from the comments section.
As distinct from the majority of articles, as has often been noted by others.
Crikey, TSP letters to Ed and the TG comments section contain much information from some very informed persons
Enjoy everyone; how sex tours and a life of religion can get you la job
https://indaily.com.au/news/2018/05/08/controversial-mp-ordained-sa-anglican-diocese/
The hypocrisy of the very religious is totally breathtaking. I always regard the most religious parliamentarians, not to mention religious American congressmen, with great suspicion. They hide behind their pious, sanctimonious utterances to conceal their nefarious sexual proclivities. They have been doing this for ever.